Section ASD: Descendants of Rodolf de Warren

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Report generated by MagiCensus Deluxe v5.1.0 on 29 June 2017
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Generation One

1. RODOLF1 DE WARREN was born between 984/5 and 1051, and died between 1044 and 1161. He married BEATRICE _____. [19]
Child:
+2i.WILLIAM2 DE WARREN, EARL Of Bellencombe, S Infr, France, b. about 1055; d. on 24 June 1088 in Lewes, Sussex, England, United Kingdom; m. before 1077 in Normandy, France GUNDRED, COUNTESS OF SURREY, b. in Normandy, France about 1063, d. in Castle Acre, Norfolk, England on 27 May 1085.


Generation Two

2. WILLIAM2 DE WARREN, EARL (Rodolf1) Of Bellencombe, son of (1) Rodolf1 and Beatrice (_____) DE WARREN, was born about 1055, died on 24 June 1088 in Lewes and was buried in Priory Of Lewes, Lewes. He married in Normandy, France, before 1077, GUNDRED, COUNTESS OF SURREY, who was born about 1063 in Normandy, France, died on 27 May 1085 in Castle Acre, Norfolk, England, and was buried in Priory Of Lewes, Sussex, England. [19, 24]
Regarding William's wife Gundred's supposed descent from Matilda wife of William the Conqueror,
from http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rsduckett/duket/history/origins/gundrada.htm :

Medievalist Kathleen Much at Stanford told Tom Camfield (camfield@olympus.net) that this connection is bogus. Her arguments came down to the comment by David C. Douglas ("William the Conqueror," 1964, p. 392) that: "The view once held that Matilda was already married when William sought her hand, and was then the mother of a daughter, Gundrada, later the wife of William of Warenne, has now been conclusively disproved by the researches of Chester Waters and Sir Charles Clay. There is no reason to suppose that Gundrada was the daughter of either William or Matilda." She led into this conclusion with preliminary explanations referenced quite thoroughly; she specializes in Normandy.

See the full examination of these claims, and the disproof, by C. T. Clay, *Early Yorkshire Charters*, volume VIII, pp. 40-46. [1]
Children:
+3i.WILLIAM II3 DE WARREN, 2ND EARL OF SURREY of Sussex, England, b. about 1065; d. on 11 May 1138 in England; m. between 1108 and 1118 in France (U-26) COUNTESS ISABEL ELIZABETH DE VERMANDOIS of Valois, Bretagne, France, b. about 1081, d. in England on 13 Feb. 1131, daughter of (U-20) Duke Hugh Crepi and (LD-79) Countess Adelaide (de VERMANDOIS).
+4ii.EDITH OF WARREN, b. about 1070; m. (SN-4) GERARD DE GOURNAY, d. in 1104[10], son of (SN-3) Hugh III and Basilia (_____) DE GOURNAY.


Generation Three

3. WILLIAM II3 DE WARREN, 2ND EARL OF SURREY (William2, Rodolf1) of Sussex, England, son of (2) William2, Earl and Gundred, Countess of Surrey, was born about 1065, died on 11 May 1138 in England and was buried in Priory Of Lewes, Lewes, Sussex, England. He married in France, between 1108 and 1118, (U-26) COUNTESS ISABEL ELIZABETH DE VERMANDOIS of Valois, daughter of (U-20) Duke Hugh Crepi and (LD-79) Countess Adelaide (de VERMANDOIS), who was born about 1081, was christened in 1131, died on 13 Feb. 1131 in England, and was buried in Lewes, Sussex, England. [2, 23, 16, 11, 9, 24]
"The Royal Line" chart erroneously(?) has him as the son of Gundred and grandson of William the Conqueror.
Children:
+5i.WILLIAM III4 DE WARENNE, 3RD EARL OF SURREY of Vermandois, Normandy, France, b. in June 1118[15]; d. on 19 Jan. 1148[15] in Laodicea, Syria[15]; m. (ADM-14) ELA TALVAS of Sussex, England, b. about 1110, d. on 4 Oct. 1174[1], daughter of (ADM-13) Count William III and (U-33) Alice (of BURGUNDY) (OF TOULOUSE).
+6ii.ADA DE WARREN of Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire, England, b. about 1104; d. in 1178[1]; m. in 1139[1] (F-17) HENRY DE HUNTINGDON, EARL of Huntingdon, b. about 1114, d. in Scotland, United Kingdom[17] on 12 June 1152[17], son of (F-9) King David I the Saint and (AEX-3) Countess Maud (of HUNTINGDON) (DE ST. LIZ).
+7iii.GUNDRED DE WARENNE of Warwick, Warwickshire, England, b. between 1107 and 1127; d. after 1167 in Warwickshire; m. (1) before 1130 (AM-27) ROGER DE NEWBURGH, 2ND EARL OF WARWICK of Maxtoke, Warwickshire, b. about 1090, d. in Warwickshire on 12 June 1151, son of (AM-15) Henry, 1st Earl of Warwick and (ADR-3) Margaret (de PERCHE); m. (2) about 1154 (YI-2) WILLIAM DE LANCASTER I, 5TH BARON KENDAL, d. in 1170[1], son of (YI-1) Gilbert, 4th Baron Kendal.
8iv.REGINALD DE WARENNE of Vermandois, Normandy, France, b. about 1113.
9v.RALPH DE WARENNE of Vermandois, Normandy, France, b. about 1115.
4. EDITH3 OF WARREN (William de WARREN2, Rodolf1), daughter of (2) William2, Earl and Gundred, Countess of Surrey, was born between 1066/7 and 1077, and died between 1091 and 1187. She married (SN-4) GERARD DE GOURNAY, son of (SN-3) Hugh III and Basilia (_____) DE GOURNAY, who died in 1104[10]. [10, 20]
Children: See (SN-4) Gerard de GOURNAY


Generation Four

5. WILLIAM III4 DE WARENNE, 3RD EARL OF SURREY (William II3, William2, Rodolf1) of Vermandois, Normandy, France, son of (3) William II3, 2nd Earl of Surrey and (U-26) Countess Isabel Elizabeth (de VERMANDOIS) (DE BEAUMONT), was born in June 1118[15], and died on 19 Jan. 1148[15] in Laodicea[15]. He married (ADM-14) ELA TALVAS of Sussex, England, daughter of (ADM-13) Count William III and (U-33) Alice (of BURGUNDY) (OF TOULOUSE), who was born about 1110, was christened in And, Alencon, France, and died on 4 Oct. 1174[1]. [3, 15, 24]
Child:
+10i.ISABEL DE5 WARENNE, b. in 1137 in Surrey, England; d. on 13 July 1199 in Lewes, Sussex, England; m. in April 1164 in East Surrey, England (RQ-10) HAMELIN PLANTAGENET, EARL OF SURREY, b. in Normandy, France in 1130, d. in England[1] on 7 May 1202[1], son of (RQ-9) Duke Geoffrey V and Mrs-Geoffrey V, Concubine (PLANTAGENET).
6. ADA4 DE WARREN (William II3, William2, Rodolf1) of Huntingdon, daughter of (3) William II3, 2nd Earl of Surrey and (U-26) Countess Isabel Elizabeth (de VERMANDOIS) (DE BEAUMONT), was born about 1104, died in 1178[1] and was buried in Kelso. She married in 1139[1], (F-17) HENRY DE HUNTINGDON, EARL of Huntingdon, son of (F-9) King David I the Saint and (AEX-3) Countess Maud (of HUNTINGDON) (DE ST. LIZ), who was born about 1114, died on 12 June 1152[17] in Scotland[17], and was buried in Kelso, Roxburgh, Scotland. [6, 22, 18, 12, 24, 1]
A descendant of Charlemagne through six lines.
Children: See (F-17) Henry de HUNTINGDON, Earl
7. GUNDRED DE4 WARENNE (William II de WARREN3, William2, Rodolf1) of Warwick, daughter of (3) William II3, 2nd Earl of Surrey and (U-26) Countess Isabel Elizabeth (de VERMANDOIS) (DE BEAUMONT), was born between 1107 and 1127, died between 1167 and 1226 in Warwickshire and was buried in Kelso, Roxburgh. She married (1st) before 1130, (AM-27) ROGER DE NEWBURGH, 2ND EARL OF WARWICK of Maxtoke, son of (AM-15) Henry, 1st Earl of Warwick and (ADR-3) Margaret (de PERCHE), who was born about 1090, and died on 12 June 1151 in Warwickshire. She married (2nd) about 1154, (YI-2) WILLIAM DE LANCASTER I, 5TH BARON KENDAL, son of (YI-1) Gilbert, 4th Baron Kendal, who died in 1170[1]. [5, 23, 7, 14, 13, 9, 24]
Children of: Gundred de4 WARENNE and Roger de NEWBURGH, 2nd Earl of Warwick: See (AM-27) Roger de NEWBURGH, 2nd Earl of Warwick

Children of: Gundred de4 WARENNE and William de LANCASTER I, 5th Baron Kendal: See (YI-2) William de LANCASTER I, 5th Baron Kendal


Generation Five

10. ISABEL DE5 WARENNE (William III4, William II de WARREN3, William2, Rodolf1), daughter of (5) William III4, 3rd Earl of Surrey and (ADM-14) Ela (TALVAS), was born in 1137 in Surrey, died on 13 July 1199 in Lewes, Sussex, England and was buried in Chapter House, Lewes, Sussex, England. She married in East Surrey, in April 1164, (RQ-10) HAMELIN PLANTAGENET, EARL OF SURREY, son of (RQ-9) Duke Geoffrey V and Mrs-Geoffrey V, Concubine (PLANTAGENET), who was born in 1130 in Normandy, France, died on 7 May 1202[1] in England[1], and was buried in Chapter House, Lewes, Sussex, England. [4, 21, 15, 8, 24]
Children: See (RQ-10) Hamelin PLANTAGENET, Earl of Surrey



1. Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th ed. (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999).
2. Ibid., (141-24+).
3. Ibid., (83-25).
4. Ibid., (83-26).
5. Ibid., (84-25, 151-26+, 88-25).
6. Ibid., (89-25, 93-25, 96-25, 100-25).
7. von Redlich, Marcellus Donald Alexander R., Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1941), 121.
8. W. H. Turton, The Plantagenet Ancestry (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1928), 112, 138.
9. Ibid., 117.
10. Ibid., 90.
11. J. Orton Buck and Timothy Field Beard, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. III (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1978), 109, 113, 198, 211, etc..
12. Ibid., 109, 198, 211, 247, 310.
13. Ibid., 113.
14. Aileen Lewers Langston and J. Orton Buck, Jr., Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. II (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1974), 109, 306.
15. Ibid., 170.
16. Ibid., 306.
17. Ibid., 67.
18. Ibid., 67, 118, 251.
19. Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 5th ed. (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999), (158-1+).
20. Ibid., (158-2).
21. Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004), 747.
22. Gary Boyd Roberts, Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2002), 367, 369, 371, etc..
23. Ibid., 429.
24. Ancestral File, CD-ROM database (Salt Lake City: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1998).