Section AFE: Descendants of Saher I de Quincy

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Generation One

1. SAHER I1 DE QUINCY was born about 1095[1], and died between 1147 and 1167[30]. He married after 1136, (AD-3) MAUD DE ST. LIZ[30] of Tunbridge, Kent, England, United Kingdom, daughter of (AD-2) Simon, Earl of Huntingdon and (ACL-3) Countess Maud (of HUNTINGDON), who was born about 1091, and died in 1140[34]. [48, 30]
of Buckley and Daventry
Child:
+2i.ROBERT I2 DE QUINCY, d. before 1197; m. in 1162 (OW-2) ORABEL LEUCHARS, d. before 30 June 1203[30], daughter of (OW-1) Ness FITZ WILLIAM.

Generation Two

2. ROBERT I2 DE QUINCY (Saher I1), son of (1) Saher I1 and (AD-3) Maud (de ST. LIZ) (FITZ RICHARD) QUINCY, was born between 1099 and 1141, and died between 1162 and 1197[49]. He married in 1162, (OW-2) ORABEL LEUCHARS, daughter of (OW-1) Ness FITZ WILLIAM, who died before 30 June 1203[30]. [18, 30, 49, 44]
Lord of Buckley and of Fawside, crusader
Child:
+3i.SAHER IV3 DE QUINCY, 1ST EARL OF WINCHESTER, b. in 1155; d. on 3 Nov. 1219 in Damietta, Dumyat, Egypt; m. (1) before 1173 in England (AK-53) LADY MARGARET DE BEAUMONT of Hampshire, England, b. about 1154, d. on 12 Jan. 1234/5, daughter of (AK-37) Robert III, 3rd Earl of Leicester and (QZ-4) Petronilla (de GRANTMESNIL).

Generation Three

3. SAHER IV3 DE QUINCY, 1ST EARL OF WINCHESTER (Robert I2, Saher I1), son of (2) Robert I2 and (OW-2) Orabel (LEUCHARS) QUINCY, was born in 1155[34], died on 3 Nov. 1219 in Damietta[34, 44] and was buried in Acre, Israel[44]. He married (1st) in England, before 1173, (AK-53) LADY MARGARET DE BEAUMONT[44] of Hampshire, daughter of (AK-37) Robert III, 3rd Earl of Leicester and (QZ-4) Petronilla (de GRANTMESNIL), who was born about 1154, was christened in 1235, and died on 12 Jan. 1234/5. [48, 40, 13, 18, 33, 22, 44]
created 1207 Earl of Winchester by King John, Magna Charta Surety, 1215,
crusader 1219
Children of: Saher IV3 de QUINCY, 1st Earl of Winchester and Lady Margaret de BEAUMONT:
+4i.ROGER4 DE QUINCY, 2ND EARL OF WINCHESTER of Winchester, Hampshire, b. about 1174; d. on 25 April 1264 in England; m. about 1228 (PT-6) HELEN (ELENA) DE GALLOWAY of Carrick, Ayr, Scotland, United Kingdom, b. about 1208, d. in England between 21 Nov. 1245 and 31 Dec. 1245, daughter of (PT-4) Lord Alan and _____ (LACY).
+5ii.ROBERT II DE QUINCY of Winchester, b. about 1172; d. in 1217 in London, Middlesex, England; m. about 1207 (B-11) HAWISE OF CHESTER, COUNTESS OF LINCOLN of Chester, England, b. in 1180, d. in 1241, daughter of (B-9) Hugh, 3rd Earl of Chester and (AMN-9) Bertrade (de MONTFORT).
6iii.ORABELLA DE QUINCY.
+7iv.HAWISE DE QUINCY, m. after 11 Feb. 1222/3 (ANF-8) HUGH DE VERE, 4TH EARL OF OXFORD, b. about 1210, d. before 23 Dec. 1263, son of (ANF-7) Robert and (EW-4) Isabel (de BOLBEC) VERE.

Child of: Saher IV3 de QUINCY, 1st Earl of Winchester:
+8i.ROBERT4 DE QUINCY, d. in 1257; m. (UA-8) ELEN (HELEN) VERCH LLEWELYN Of Caernarvon, Wales, United Kingdom, b. about 1206, d. of Chester, Cheshire, England before 24 Oct. 1253, daughter of (UA-5) Llewelyn ap, Prince of North Wales and (PX-24) Princess Joan (of WALES).

Generation Four

4. ROGER4 DE QUINCY, 2ND EARL OF WINCHESTER (Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1) of Winchester, son of (3) Saher IV3, 1st Earl of Winchester and (AK-53) Lady Margaret (de BEAUMONT), was born about 1174, died on 25 April 1264 in England and was buried in Brackley, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He married about 1228, (PT-6) HELEN (ELENA) DE GALLOWAY of Carrick, daughter of (PT-4) Lord Alan and _____ (LACY), who was born about 1208, died between 21 Nov. 1245 and 31 Dec. 1245 in England, and was buried in Brackley. [7, 13, 41, 12, 45, 18, 14, 29, 24, 2]
2nd Earl of Winchester, Constable of Scotland
Accompanied his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219 (Desc. of Charl.)
Children:
+9i.HELEN (ELLEN)5 DE QUINCY of Winchester, b. about 1222; d. about 20 Aug. 1296 in England; m. (1) (OS-2) ROBERT FITZ ROGER, 2ND BARON OF WARKWORTH of Warkworth, b. before 1178[34], d. in 1212[34], son of (OS-1) Roger, 1st Lord of Warkworth and (ANF-6) Alice (de VERE); m. (2) before 1242 of Winchester (AEO-10) SIR ALAN II LA ZOUCHE, b. in Ashby, Leicestershire, England about 1203, d. in England on 10 Aug. 1270, son of (AEO-8) Roger and Margaret ZOUCHE.
+10ii.LADY MARGARET DE QUINCY of Winchester, b. about 1222; d. between 12 March 1270/1 and 1280; m. in 1238 (OF-13) WILLIAM DE FERRERS, 5TH EARL OF DERBY of Derbyshire, England, b. about 1193[3], d. in Evington, Leicestershire on 24 March 1254[3], son of (OF-11) William, 4th Earl of Derby and (B-13) Agnes (of CHESTER).
11iii.ELIZABETH DE QUINCY.
5. ROBERT II4 DE QUINCY (Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1) of Winchester, son of (3) Saher IV3, 1st Earl of Winchester and (AK-53) Lady Margaret (de BEAUMONT), was born about 1172, and died after 1257 in London. He married about 1207, (B-11) HAWISE OF CHESTER, COUNTESS OF LINCOLN of Chester, England, daughter of (B-9) Hugh, 3rd Earl of Chester and (AMN-9) Bertrade (de MONTFORT), who was born in 1180, and died in 1241. [8, 36, 15, 31, 23]
Langston & Buck show as brother of Saher IV de Quincy, whereas Weis shows him as son.
Weis, in "Magna Charta Sureties", explains:
Sidney Painter, "The House of Quency, 1134-1264" in Medieval et Humanistica XI 3-9, also his Feudalism and Liberty, pp. 230-239 provide evidences and reasoning to indicate that Robert was a younger brother, not son, of Saier de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and Magna Charta Surety. However, see The Genealogist, vol. 5, pp. 221-225, for evidence that the original identification of Robert as son of Saier was correct after all. [31, 8, 35]
Child:
+12i.MARGARET5 DE QUINCY, b. in 1208 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England; d. in 1258 in Clerkenwell, England; m. in 1223 (OY-5) JOHN DE LACY, b. in Lincoln in 1192, d. in Stanlaw, Chester, England on 22 July 1240, son of (OY-4) Roger and Maud (Matilda) (de CLARE) LACY.
7. HAWISE4 DE QUINCY (Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1), daughter of (3) Saher IV3, 1st Earl of Winchester and (AK-53) Lady Margaret (de BEAUMONT), was born between 1185 and 1214, and died between 1240 and 1325. She married after 11 Feb. 1222/3, (ANF-8) HUGH DE VERE, 4TH EARL OF OXFORD, son of (ANF-7) Robert and (EW-4) Isabel (de BOLBEC) VERE, who was born about 1210, and died before 23 Dec. 1263. [11, 27, 21, 47]
Children: See (ANF-8) Hugh de VERE, 4th Earl of Oxford
8. ROBERT4 DE QUINCY (Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1), son of (3) Saher IV3, 1st Earl of Winchester, was born between 1180 and 1215, and died in 1257[3]. He married (UA-8) ELEN (HELEN) VERCH LLEWELYN Of Caernarvon, daughter of (UA-5) Llewelyn ap, Prince of North Wales and (PX-24) Princess Joan (of WALES), who was born about 1206, and died before 24 Oct. 1253 of Chester, Cheshire. [4, 38]
He was the 2nd son named Robert. The first died without posterity. [4]
Child:
+13i.HAWISE5 DE QUINCY of Bidford, Warwickshire, England, b. about 1250; d. before 27 March 1284/5; m. (ANS-6) BALDWIN WAKE, b. in 1236[3], d. before 10 Feb. 1281/2[3], son of (ANS-5) Hugh, Sheriff of Yorkshire and (AJU-5) Joan (de STUTEVILLE).

Generation Five

9. HELEN (ELLEN)5 DE QUINCY (Roger4, Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1) of Winchester, daughter of (4) Roger4, 2nd Earl of Winchester and (PT-6) Helen (Elena) (de GALLOWAY), was born about 1222, was christened in 1296, and died between 20 June 1296 and 20 Oct. 1296 in England[34]. She married (1st) (OS-2) ROBERT FITZ ROGER, 2ND BARON OF WARKWORTH of Warkworth, son of (OS-1) Roger, 1st Lord of Warkworth and (ANF-6) Alice (de VERE), who was born before 1178[34], and died in 1212[34]. She married (2nd) of Winchester, before 1242, (AEO-10) SIR ALAN II LA ZOUCHE, son of (AEO-8) Roger and Margaret ZOUCHE, who was born about 1203 in Ashby, and died on 10 Aug. 1270 in England. [6, 42, 16, 28, 26, 20, 2]
Children of: Helen (Ellen)5 de QUINCY and Robert FITZ ROGER, 2nd Baron of Warkworth: See (OS-2) Robert FITZ ROGER, 2nd Baron of Warkworth

Children of: Helen (Ellen)5 de QUINCY and Sir Alan II La ZOUCHE: See (AEO-10) Sir Alan II La ZOUCHE
10. LADY MARGARET5 DE QUINCY (Roger4, Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1) of Winchester, daughter of (4) Roger4, 2nd Earl of Winchester and (PT-6) Helen (Elena) (de GALLOWAY), was born about 1222, and died between 12 March 1270/1 and 31 Dec. 1280. She married in 1238, (OF-13) WILLIAM DE FERRERS, 5TH EARL OF DERBY of Derbyshire, son of (OF-11) William, 4th Earl of Derby and (B-13) Agnes (of CHESTER), who was born about 1193[3], died on 24 March 1254 in Evington[3], and was buried on 31 March 1254 in Merevale Abbey, Merevale, Warwickshire[3]. [10, 43, 46, 17, 32, 25, 13, 12, 2]
Second wife of William de Ferrers
Children: See (OF-13) William de FERRERS, 5th Earl of Derby
12. MARGARET5 DE QUINCY (Robert II4, Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1), daughter of (5) Robert II4 and (B-11) Hawise (of CHESTER), Countess of Lincoln QUINCY, was born in 1208 in Lincoln, was christened in 1258, and died after 1 Jan. 1288 in Clerkenwell, England. She married in 1223, (OY-5) JOHN DE LACY, son of (OY-4) Roger and Maud (Matilda) (de CLARE) LACY, who was born in 1192 in Lincoln, and died on 22 July 1240 in Stanlaw, Chester, England. [9, 37, 15, 31, 23, 2]
Child: See (OY-5) John de LACY
13. HAWISE5 DE QUINCY (Robert4, Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1) of Bidford, daughter of (8) Robert4 and (UA-8) Elen (Helen) Verch (LLEWELYN) QUINCY, was born about 1250[3], and died between 1224 and 27 March 1285[3]. She married (ANS-6) BALDWIN WAKE, son of (ANS-5) Hugh, Sheriff of Yorkshire and (AJU-5) Joan (de STUTEVILLE), who was born in 1236[3], and died before 10 Feb. 1281/2[3]. [19, 5, 39]
Child: See (ANS-6) Baldwin WAKE


1. Michel L.Call, "Royal Ancestry Bible" (Salt Lake City, Utah: Heritage Creations: 2005), 805.
2. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "Ancestral File (R)", Copyright (c) 1987, June 1998, data as of 5 January 1998.
3. Frederick Lewis Weis, "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists", 7th ed. (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999).
4. Ibid., (236-8+).
5. Ibid., (236-9).
6. Ibid., (38-28, 53-29).
7. Ibid., (53-28, 57-28, 224-28).
8. Ibid., (54-28).
9. Ibid., (54-29).
10. Ibid., (57-29, 58-29, 59-29, 127-30+).
11. Ibid., (60-28).
12. Browning, Charles H., "Americans of Royal Descent" (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1969), 163.
13. Browning, Charles H., "Magna Charta Barons and their Descendants" (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1969), 261.
14. von Redlich, Marcellus Donald Alexander R., "Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I" (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1941), 108,133,188,211,etc.
15. Ibid., 129,137,157,219.
16. Ibid., 133,255.
17. Ibid., 188.
18. W. H. Turton, "Plantagenet Ancestry" (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1928), 100.
19. Ibid., 96.
20. Ibid., 96, 100.
21. J. Orton Buck and Timothy Field Beard, "Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. III" (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1978), 146.
22. Ibid., 146, 167.
23. Ibid., 167.
24. Ibid., 23, 35, 96, 280.
25. Ibid., 23, 96.
26. Ibid., 280.
27. Aileen Lewers Langston and J. Orton Buck, Jr., "Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. II" (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1974), 161, 176.
28. Ibid., 260.
29. Ibid., 33, 99, 222, 260.
30. Ibid., 49.
31. Ibid., 50.
32. Ibid., 99.
33. Ibid., 99, 176, 222.
34. Frederick Lewis Weis, "The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215", 5th ed. (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999).
35. Ibid., (107-1).
36. Ibid., (107-2).
37. Ibid., (107-3).
38. Ibid., (114-2).
39. Ibid., (114-3).
40. Ibid., (74-1, 107-1, 111-1, 111A-1).
41. Ibid., (74-2, 88-2, 108-2).
42. Ibid., (74-3, 90-3).
43. Ibid., (88-3, 100-3, 102-3).
44. Douglas Richardson, "Plantagenet Ancestry" (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004), 683.
45. Gary Boyd Roberts, "Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants" (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2002), 385, 393.
46. Ibid., 400.
47. Douglas Richardson, "Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families" (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2005), 854.
48. Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., "Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700", 8th ed. (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004), (53-27+).
49. Ibid., (54-27+).