Section AIN: Descendants of Saher I de Quincy

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Generation One

1. SAHER I1 DE QUINCY was born about 1095[2], and died between 1147 and 1166[30]. He married after 1136[30], (AF-3) MAUD (DE ST. LIZ) FITZ RICHARD of Tunbridge, Kent, England, United Kingdom, daughter of (AF-2) Simon, Earl of Huntingdon and (AFE-3) Countess Maud (of HUNTINGDON), who was born about 1091 of Tunbridge, and died in 1140[34]. [2, 30, 48]
of Buckley and Daventry
Child:
+2i.ROBERT I2 DE QUINCY, b. about 1140; d. about 1180[49]; m. in 1162 (QS-2) ORABEL LEUCHARS, d. between 1 Jan. and 30 June 1203[30], daughter of (QS-1) Ness FITZ WILLIAM.


Generation Two

2. ROBERT I2 DE QUINCY (Saher I1), son of (1) Saher I1 and (AF-3) Maud (de ST. LIZ) (FITZ RICHARD) DE QUINCY, was born between 1098/9 and 1141, and died between 1162 and 1197[49]. He married in 1162, (QS-2) ORABEL LEUCHARS, daughter of (QS-1) Ness FITZ WILLIAM, who died between 1 Jan. and 30 June 1203[30]. [18, 30, 44, 49]
Lord of Buckley and of Fawside, crusader
Child:
+3i.SAHER IV3 DE QUINCY, 1ST EARL OF WINCHESTER, b. in 1155[44]; d. on 3 Nov. 1219[34, 44] in Damietta, Dumyat, Egypt[34, 44]; m. (1) before 1173[44] in England[44] (AM-53) LADY MARGARET DE BEAUMONT of Hampshire, England, b. of Hampshire about 1154, d. on 12 JAN 1234/5, daughter of (AM-37) Robert III, 3rd Earl of Leicester and (SX-4) Petronilla (de GRANTMESNIL).


Generation Three

3. SAHER IV3 DE QUINCY, 1ST EARL OF WINCHESTER (Robert I2, Saher I1), son of (2) Robert I2 and (QS-2) Orabel (LEUCHARS) DE QUINCY, was born in 1155[44], died on 3 Nov. 1219[34, 44] in Damietta[34, 44] and was buried in Acre, Israel[44]. He married (1st) in England[44], before 1173[44], (AM-53) LADY MARGARET DE BEAUMONT of Hampshire, daughter of (AM-37) Robert III, 3rd Earl of Leicester and (SX-4) Petronilla (de GRANTMESNIL), who was born about 1154 of Hampshire, was christened in 1235, and died on 12 JAN 1234/5. [13, 18, 22, 33, 34, 40, 44, 48]
created 1207 Earl of Winchester by King John, Magna Charta Surety, 1215,
crusader 1219
Children of: Saher IV3 de QUINCY, 1st Earl of Winchester and Lady Margaret de BEAUMONT:
+4i.ROGER4 DE QUINCY, 2ND EARL OF WINCHESTER of Winchester, Hampshire, b. about 1174 of Winchester; d. on 25 April 1264 in England; m. about 1228 (RP-6) HELEN DE GALLOWAY of Carrick, Ayr, Scotland, United Kingdom, b. of Carrick about 1208, d. in England about 1270, daughter of (RP-4) Lord Alan and _____ (LACY).
+5ii.ROBERT II DE QUINCY of Winchester, b. about 1172 of Winchester; d. about 1237 in London, Middlesex, England; m. about 1207 (C-11) HAWISE OF CHESTER, COUNTESS OF LINCOLN of Chester, Cheshire, England, b. of Chester in 1160, d. about 1249, daughter of (C-9) Hugh, 3rd Earl of Chester and (AQQ-9) Bertrade (de MONTFORT).
6iii.ORABELLA DE QUINCY, b. about 1190/1; d. about 1250/1.
+7iv.HAWISE DE QUINCY, b. about 1214; d. about 1280; m. AFT 11 FEB 1222/3 (ARH-9) HUGH DE VERE, 4TH EARL OF OXFORD, b. about 1210, d. between 1 Jan. and 23 Dec. 1263, son of (ARH-8) Robert and (FT-4) Isabel (de BOLBEC) DE VERE.

Child of: Saher IV3 de QUINCY, 1st Earl of Winchester:
+8i.ROBERT4 DE QUINCY, b. about 1215; d. in 1257[3]; m. (WJ-8) ELEN VERCH (LLEWELYN) LE SCOT of Caernarvon, Wales, United Kingdom, b. of Caernarvon about 1206, d. of Chester between 1 Jan. and 24 Oct. 1253, daughter of (WJ-5) Llewelyn ap, Prince of North Wales and (RT-24) Princess Joan (of WALES).


Generation Four

4. ROGER4 DE QUINCY, 2ND EARL OF WINCHESTER (Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1) of Winchester, son of (3) Saher IV3, 1st Earl of Winchester and (AM-53) Lady Margaret (de BEAUMONT), was born between 31 Dec. 1184 and 1235/6 of Winchester, died on 25 April 1264 in England and was buried in Brackley, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. He married about 1228, (RP-6) HELEN DE GALLOWAY of Carrick, daughter of (RP-4) Lord Alan and _____ (LACY), who was born about 1208 of Carrick, died about 1270 in England, and was buried in Brackley. [7, 12, 13, 14, 18, 24, 29, 41, 45, 50]
2nd Earl of Winchester, Constable of Scotland
Accompanied his father on the Fifth Crusade in 1219 (Desc. of Charl.)
Children:
+9i.ELENA5 DE QUINCY of Winchester, b. about 1222 of Winchester; d. between 20 June 1296 and 20 Oct. 1296[1, 34] in England; m. (1) (QO-2) ROBERT FITZ ROGER, 2ND BARON OF WARKWORTH of Warkworth, b. of Warkworth before 1178[34], d. about 1218/9[34], son of (QO-1) Roger, 1st Lord of Warkworth and (ARH-6) Alice (de VERE); m. (2) before 1242 of Winchester (AHR-10) SIR ALAN II LA ZOUCHE of Ashby-de-la-Zouc, Leicestershire, England, b. of Ashby-de-la-Zouc about 1205[1], d. on 10 Aug. 1270[1], son of (AHR-8) Roger and Margaret (_____) LA ZOUCHE.
+10ii.LADY MARGARET DE QUINCY of Winchester, b. about 1222 of Winchester; d. about 1275; m. in 1238 (QA-13) WILLIAM DE FERRERS, 5TH EARL OF DERBY of Derbyshire, England, b. of Derbyshire about 1193[3], d. in Evington, Leicestershire[3] on 24 March 1254[3], son of (QA-11) William, 4th Earl of Derby and (C-13) Agnes (of CHESTER).
11iii.ELIZABETH DE QUINCY, b. about 1230/1; d. about 1250.
5. ROBERT II4 DE QUINCY (Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1) of Winchester, son of (3) Saher IV3, 1st Earl of Winchester and (AM-53) Lady Margaret (de BEAUMONT), was born between 31 Dec. 1182 and 1197/8 of Winchester, and died about 1237 in London. He married about 1207, (C-11) HAWISE OF CHESTER, COUNTESS OF LINCOLN of Chester, daughter of (C-9) Hugh, 3rd Earl of Chester and (AQQ-9) Bertrade (de MONTFORT), who was born in 1160 of Chester, and died about 1249. [8, 15, 23, 31, 35, 36]
Langston & Buck show as brother of Saher IV de Quincy, whereas Weis shows him as son.
Weis, in "Magna Charta Sureties", explains:
Sidney Painter, "The House of Quency, 1134-1264" in Medieval et Humanistica XI 3-9, also his Feudalism and Liberty, pp. 230-239 provide evidences and reasoning to indicate that Robert was a younger brother, not son, of Saier de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester, and Magna Charta Surety. However, see The Genealogist, vol. 5, pp. 221-225, for evidence that the original identification of Robert as son of Saier was correct after all.[8, 31, 35]
Child:
+12i.MARGARET5 DE QUINCY, b. in 1208 in Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England; d. about 1273 in Clerkenwell, England; m. in 1223 (QU-5) JOHN DE LACY, b. in Lincoln in 1192, d. in Stanlaw, Chester, England on 22 July 1240, son of (QU-4) Roger and Maud (de CLARE) DE LACY.
7. HAWISE4 DE QUINCY (Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1), daughter of (3) Saher IV3, 1st Earl of Winchester and (AM-53) Lady Margaret (de BEAUMONT), was born between 1184/5 and 1214, and died between 1240 and 1325. She married AFT 11 FEB 1222/3, (ARH-9) HUGH DE VERE, 4TH EARL OF OXFORD, son of (ARH-8) Robert and (FT-4) Isabel (de BOLBEC) DE VERE, who was born about 1210, and died between 1 Jan. and 23 Dec. 1263. [11, 21, 27, 47]
Children: See (ARH-9) Hugh de VERE, 4th Earl of Oxford
8. ROBERT4 DE QUINCY (Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1), son of (3) Saher IV3, 1st Earl of Winchester, was born between 1179/80 and 1215, and died in 1257[3]. He married (WJ-8) ELEN VERCH (LLEWELYN) LE SCOT of Caernarvon, daughter of (WJ-5) Llewelyn ap, Prince of North Wales and (RT-24) Princess Joan (of WALES), who was born about 1206 of Caernarvon, and died between 1 Jan. and 24 Oct. 1253 of Chester, Cheshire. [3, 4, 38]
He was the 2nd son named Robert. The first died without posterity.[4]
Child:
+13i.HAWISE5 DE QUINCY of Bidford, Warwickshire, England, b. about 1250[3] of Bidford[3]; d. between 1 Jan. and 27 March 1284[3]; m. (ARX-6) BALDWIN WAKE, b. in 1236[3], d. between 1 Jan. 1250 and 10 Feb. 1282[3], son of (ARX-5) Hugh, Sheriff of Yorkshire and (ANU-5) Joan (de STUTEVILLE).


Generation Five

9. ELENA5 DE QUINCY (Roger4, Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1) of Winchester, daughter of (4) Roger4, 2nd Earl of Winchester and (RP-6) Helen (de GALLOWAY), was born between 1196 and 1211/2 of Winchester, was christened in 1296, and died between 20 June 1296 and 20 Oct. 1296[1, 34] in England. She married (1st) (QO-2) ROBERT FITZ ROGER, 2ND BARON OF WARKWORTH of Warkworth, son of (QO-1) Roger, 1st Lord of Warkworth and (ARH-6) Alice (de VERE), who was born before 1178[34] of Warkworth, and died about 1218/9[34]. She married (2nd) of Winchester, before 1242, (AHR-10) SIR ALAN II LA ZOUCHE of Ashby-de-la-Zouc, son of (AHR-8) Roger and Margaret (_____) LA ZOUCHE, who was born about 1205[1] of Ashby-de-la-Zouc, and died on 10 Aug. 1270[1]. [1, 6, 16, 20, 26, 28, 34, 42, 50]
Children of: Elena5 de QUINCY and Robert FITZ ROGER, 2nd Baron of Warkworth: See (QO-2) Robert FITZ ROGER, 2nd Baron of Warkworth

Children of: Elena5 de QUINCY and Sir Alan II La ZOUCHE: See (AHR-10) Sir Alan II La ZOUCHE
10. LADY MARGARET5 DE QUINCY (Roger4, Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1) of Winchester, daughter of (4) Roger4, 2nd Earl of Winchester and (RP-6) Helen (de GALLOWAY), was born between 1211/2 and 1224 of Winchester, and died between 12 March 1271 and 31 Dec. 1280. She married in 1238, (QA-13) WILLIAM DE FERRERS, 5TH EARL OF DERBY of Derbyshire, son of (QA-11) William, 4th Earl of Derby and (C-13) Agnes (of CHESTER), who was born about 1193[3] of Derbyshire, died on 24 March 1254[3] in Evington[3], and was buried on 31 March 1254[3] in Merevale Abbey, Merevale, Warwickshire[3]. [10, 12, 13, 17, 25, 32, 43, 46, 50]
Second wife of William de Ferrers
Children: See (QA-13) William de FERRERS, 5th Earl of Derby
12. MARGARET5 DE QUINCY (Robert II4, Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1), daughter of (5) Robert II4 and (C-11) Hawise (of CHESTER), Countess of Lincoln DE QUINCY, was born in 1208 in Lincoln, was christened in 1258, and died about 1273 in Clerkenwell, England. She married in 1223, (QU-5) JOHN DE LACY, son of (QU-4) Roger and Maud (de CLARE) DE LACY, who was born in 1192 in Lincoln, and died on 22 July 1240 in Stanlaw, Chester, England. [9, 15, 23, 31, 37, 50]
Child: See (QU-5) John de LACY
13. HAWISE5 DE QUINCY (Robert4, Saher IV3, Robert I2, Saher I1) of Bidford, daughter of (8) Robert4 and (WJ-8) Elen Verch (LLEWELYN) (LE SCOT) DE QUINCY, was born between 1209/10 and 1254[3] of Bidford[3], and died between 1223 and 27 March 1284[3]. She married (ARX-6) BALDWIN WAKE, son of (ARX-5) Hugh, Sheriff of Yorkshire and (ANU-5) Joan (de STUTEVILLE), who was born in 1236[3], and died between 1 Jan. 1250 and 10 Feb. 1282[3]. [3, 5, 19, 39]
Child: See (ARX-6) Baldwin WAKE



1. Michel L.Call, Royal Ancestry Bible (Salt Lake City, Utah: Heritage Creations, 2005), 29, 70.
2. Ibid., 805.
3. Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th ed. (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999).
4. Ibid., (236-8+).
5. Ibid., (236-9).
6. Ibid., (38-28, 53-29).
7. Ibid., (53-28, 57-28, 224-28).
8. Ibid., (54-28).
9. Ibid., (54-29).
10. Ibid., (57-29, 58-29, 59-29, 127-30+).
11. Ibid., (60-28).
12. Browning, Charles H., Americans of Royal Descent (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, 1969), 163.
13. Browning, Charles H., Magna Charta Barons and their Descendants (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1969), 261.
14. von Redlich, Marcellus Donald Alexander R., Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. I (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1941), 108,133,188,211,etc..
15. Ibid., 129,137,157,219.
16. Ibid., 133,255.
17. Ibid., 188.
18. W. H. Turton, The Plantagenet Ancestry (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1928), 100.
19. Ibid., 96.
20. Ibid., 96, 100.
21. J. Orton Buck and Timothy Field Beard, Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. III (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1978), 146.
22. Ibid., 146, 167.
23. Ibid., 167.
24. Ibid., 23, 35, 96, 280.
25. Ibid., 23, 96.
26. Ibid., 280.
27. Aileen Lewers Langston and J. Orton Buck, Jr., Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne's Descendants, Vol. II (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1974), 161, 176.
28. Ibid., 260.
29. Ibid., 33, 99, 222, 260.
30. Ibid., 49.
31. Ibid., 50.
32. Ibid., 99.
33. Ibid., 99, 176, 222.
34. Frederick Lewis Weis, The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215, 5th ed. (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999).
35. Ibid., (107-1).
36. Ibid., (107-2).
37. Ibid., (107-3).
38. Ibid., (114-2).
39. Ibid., (114-3).
40. Ibid., (74-1, 107-1, 111-1, 111A-1).
41. Ibid., (74-2, 88-2, 108-2).
42. Ibid., (74-3, 90-3).
43. Ibid., (88-3, 100-3, 102-3).
44. Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004), 683.
45. Gary Boyd Roberts, Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2002), 385, 393.
46. Ibid., 400.
47. Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry: A Study in Colonial and Medieval Families (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2005), 854.
48. Frederick Lewis Weis and Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, 8th ed. (Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 2004), (53-27+).
49. Ibid., (54-27+).
50. Ancestral File, CD-ROM database (Salt Lake City: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1998).